It’s absolutely true to say “what the government can give, the government can take.” But that just means “the price of liberty is eternal vigilance,” that “Freedom means ‘self control’ that “power” because democracy really is “people power” means “self control”. It also underscores, boldens, and highlights something to the effect of a qu…
It’s absolutely true to say “what the government can give, the government can take.” But that just means “the price of liberty is eternal vigilance,” that “Freedom means ‘self control’ that “power” because democracy really is “people power” means “self control”. It also underscores, boldens, and highlights something to the effect of a quote by Eugene V. Deb’s who told his followers something like <<Even if I could lead you to the promised land, I would not do so because if I could lead you in, someone else could just as easily turn you around and lead you out again.>>
I appreciate the care and learning that you put into your writings. One thing I have not seen (I haven’t read everything) you deal with enough is the tendency of every human (rich, poor, majority member, minority member, insider or outcast) to fear being victimized and to piously avoid confronting how we all project our own violence (through collective, unthinking scapegoating and demonization).
I am not a good Christian (nor to I especially desire to be considered one), but I am thinking of the Beatitude that I believe goes “Blessed are the ‘poor in SPIRIT;” as opposed to simply “the poor”. Being poor “in spirit” is universal even if being poor in terms of property is AT BEST only about 90% of the earth’s population
I wish representative democracy - as it exists in most major nations today - meant 'people power'. To me it means taking power from the people and giving it to one person (or a small number of people). Eugene Debs was right - if we people trust in leaders, they may occasionally find a good one, but eventually a leader will come along to lead them astray.
Thanks for your appreciation. You are right that I haven't focused that much on our capacity for violence, as I have on our capacity for good. That is because there seems to be no end on the focus on the violence, and very little focus on us being capable of being better, so I'm trying to let people know there is another side. (Although the 'Were we born evil?' article does speak of the negative side of humanity too)
The passage in the beatitudes about being 'poor in spirit' is open to several interpretations.
Traditionally 'poor in spirit' has been interpreted as meaning humble in spiritual matters, or lacking spiritual pride. That's a message I can agree with - that humility should be rewarded. However, Luke does render it as 'blessed are the poor', which does fit in with the many Bible passage about Jesus favouring the poor and condemning the rich.
From the beginning “people power’ (one literal translation of the Greek word for ‘democracy”) was constrained by a number of factors including traditional senses of what we now call “the rule of law” as well as traditional senses of morality. Those two things are never the same which is ONE of the drivers of history.
From the beginning “people power” has always been constrained by inequality of power and wealth. Wealth can proceed from power—and power can proceed from wealth. Power can be reinforced and even expanded (to a certain extent) by violence or the threat of violence. But one of the many ironies of democracy is that ALL power is people power. A “strong man” can only employ violence and its threats if he can somehow persuade enough people (perhaps occasionally starting with only a tiny cabal) to defend him. “Strong men” more often gain power from large masses of people (who surrender their responsibility and power to the “strong man”) by creating and/or manipulating symbols related to urgent fears, insecurities, desires, and aspirations. And there is always a significant segment of any population that is more or less (depending on circumstances) to assist, promote, and celebrate this process of surrendering (and focusing) power. In fact there is always a significant, though more or less latent) tendency in any one of us to succumb to the seductions of such processes or to acquiesce to their pressuring threats.
I will try to soon read the “Were we born evil?” article. The best thing about the title (in my crimped and limited outlook) right now is the question mark at the end. I’ll emphasize through repetition that I haven’t read the article, before saying that I try as much as I can to resist using terms like “good” and “evil” (especially the latter) to describe human individuals or groups. “Evil” is a pretty loaded term that I can’t (or is it won’t?) always avoid, but when I do use it I try to apply it to actions, consequences, circumstances, and perhaps (though perhaps not wisely) intentions.
.I think you are right about the traditional interpretation of the phrase “poor in spirit,” but it never really set well with me even as a kid. It may well come from a Greek translation of something overheard third hand in Aramaic that may or may not have undergone one or more editorial adjustments… Dealing only with English, to equate “poor in spirit” with “lacking spiritual pride” requires a bit of cognitive flip flopping. (again trapped in English) It DOES make sense to equate “poor” with “lacking” … by why equate “spirit” with “spiritual pride”? In English the phrase literally means to “lack spirit” which (to me) seems very far from “spiritual pride”, “spiritual matters,” “spiritual knowledge”. The word “spirit” by itself could means “life force” and in Greek is related to “breath.” Thinking about “spirit” that way (life force) *might* mean that those who are “poor in spirit” are “humble” in the sense that they lack the life force to struggle for wealth and power — or to resist oppression which then makes Luke’s version much less confusing, and therefore attractive and meaningful.
But somebody else (has anybody seen my old friend “Matthew”?) threw in a word we translate as “spirit”… I’m playing with the idea that “spirit” might refer to the ability to responsibly relate to the symbols of power in their own culture (which include symbols relating to “good” and “evil”, “thriving or collapsing” etc. but also those relating to taboos including, but not limited to violence, sexuality, and nurturance) and therefore the ability to manipulate them — or more appropriately to resist those who might manipulate them for ev… or less than honorable reasons (with “honorable” referring to deserving of admiration, gratitude, and support from humanity as a struggling species.
I agree with this, 'From the beginning “people power” has always been constrained by inequality of power and wealth. Wealth can proceed from power—and power can proceed from wealth. Power can be reinforced and even expanded (to a certain extent) by violence or the threat of violence.'
However, I'm not sure of the point you are making. If it is that the power of despots comes from people I sort of agree - although I think it is rare that it comes freely, without some pressure or coercion, and that they are usually acting under some threat - in ancient times that may be from the person they follow and their soldiers, or from the priests that say some god will send them to hell for not doing it. In more modern times it's more subtle but just as potentially dangerous. But either way if 90 out of 100 people choose a ruler it doesn’t make them a legitimate ruler for the other 10 who didn’t choose them - they didn't consent to that person ruling.
The fact that strongmen need to manipulate people to maintain power shows how artificial and unnecessary these power structures are. If all power truly derives from people, then we should eliminate the hierarchical structures that allow it to be concentrated and weaponised against the masses, and create horizontal, democratic structures that prevent power from being accumulated and concentrated in the first place. Power flows from people and I believe should be kept with the people it flows from, without them giving it up and handing it over to someone else.
As for using the term, 'Evil', it certainly is a harsh term, but I'm just quoting the Calvinist view that we are literally born evil in the eyes of God, and referring to the influence of this doctrine upon even some secular philosophies and even Capitalist economists.
It’s absolutely true to say “what the government can give, the government can take.” But that just means “the price of liberty is eternal vigilance,” that “Freedom means ‘self control’ that “power” because democracy really is “people power” means “self control”. It also underscores, boldens, and highlights something to the effect of a quote by Eugene V. Deb’s who told his followers something like <<Even if I could lead you to the promised land, I would not do so because if I could lead you in, someone else could just as easily turn you around and lead you out again.>>
I appreciate the care and learning that you put into your writings. One thing I have not seen (I haven’t read everything) you deal with enough is the tendency of every human (rich, poor, majority member, minority member, insider or outcast) to fear being victimized and to piously avoid confronting how we all project our own violence (through collective, unthinking scapegoating and demonization).
I am not a good Christian (nor to I especially desire to be considered one), but I am thinking of the Beatitude that I believe goes “Blessed are the ‘poor in SPIRIT;” as opposed to simply “the poor”. Being poor “in spirit” is universal even if being poor in terms of property is AT BEST only about 90% of the earth’s population
I wish representative democracy - as it exists in most major nations today - meant 'people power'. To me it means taking power from the people and giving it to one person (or a small number of people). Eugene Debs was right - if we people trust in leaders, they may occasionally find a good one, but eventually a leader will come along to lead them astray.
Thanks for your appreciation. You are right that I haven't focused that much on our capacity for violence, as I have on our capacity for good. That is because there seems to be no end on the focus on the violence, and very little focus on us being capable of being better, so I'm trying to let people know there is another side. (Although the 'Were we born evil?' article does speak of the negative side of humanity too)
The passage in the beatitudes about being 'poor in spirit' is open to several interpretations.
Traditionally 'poor in spirit' has been interpreted as meaning humble in spiritual matters, or lacking spiritual pride. That's a message I can agree with - that humility should be rewarded. However, Luke does render it as 'blessed are the poor', which does fit in with the many Bible passage about Jesus favouring the poor and condemning the rich.
From the beginning “people power’ (one literal translation of the Greek word for ‘democracy”) was constrained by a number of factors including traditional senses of what we now call “the rule of law” as well as traditional senses of morality. Those two things are never the same which is ONE of the drivers of history.
From the beginning “people power” has always been constrained by inequality of power and wealth. Wealth can proceed from power—and power can proceed from wealth. Power can be reinforced and even expanded (to a certain extent) by violence or the threat of violence. But one of the many ironies of democracy is that ALL power is people power. A “strong man” can only employ violence and its threats if he can somehow persuade enough people (perhaps occasionally starting with only a tiny cabal) to defend him. “Strong men” more often gain power from large masses of people (who surrender their responsibility and power to the “strong man”) by creating and/or manipulating symbols related to urgent fears, insecurities, desires, and aspirations. And there is always a significant segment of any population that is more or less (depending on circumstances) to assist, promote, and celebrate this process of surrendering (and focusing) power. In fact there is always a significant, though more or less latent) tendency in any one of us to succumb to the seductions of such processes or to acquiesce to their pressuring threats.
I will try to soon read the “Were we born evil?” article. The best thing about the title (in my crimped and limited outlook) right now is the question mark at the end. I’ll emphasize through repetition that I haven’t read the article, before saying that I try as much as I can to resist using terms like “good” and “evil” (especially the latter) to describe human individuals or groups. “Evil” is a pretty loaded term that I can’t (or is it won’t?) always avoid, but when I do use it I try to apply it to actions, consequences, circumstances, and perhaps (though perhaps not wisely) intentions.
.I think you are right about the traditional interpretation of the phrase “poor in spirit,” but it never really set well with me even as a kid. It may well come from a Greek translation of something overheard third hand in Aramaic that may or may not have undergone one or more editorial adjustments… Dealing only with English, to equate “poor in spirit” with “lacking spiritual pride” requires a bit of cognitive flip flopping. (again trapped in English) It DOES make sense to equate “poor” with “lacking” … by why equate “spirit” with “spiritual pride”? In English the phrase literally means to “lack spirit” which (to me) seems very far from “spiritual pride”, “spiritual matters,” “spiritual knowledge”. The word “spirit” by itself could means “life force” and in Greek is related to “breath.” Thinking about “spirit” that way (life force) *might* mean that those who are “poor in spirit” are “humble” in the sense that they lack the life force to struggle for wealth and power — or to resist oppression which then makes Luke’s version much less confusing, and therefore attractive and meaningful.
But somebody else (has anybody seen my old friend “Matthew”?) threw in a word we translate as “spirit”… I’m playing with the idea that “spirit” might refer to the ability to responsibly relate to the symbols of power in their own culture (which include symbols relating to “good” and “evil”, “thriving or collapsing” etc. but also those relating to taboos including, but not limited to violence, sexuality, and nurturance) and therefore the ability to manipulate them — or more appropriately to resist those who might manipulate them for ev… or less than honorable reasons (with “honorable” referring to deserving of admiration, gratitude, and support from humanity as a struggling species.
I agree with this, 'From the beginning “people power” has always been constrained by inequality of power and wealth. Wealth can proceed from power—and power can proceed from wealth. Power can be reinforced and even expanded (to a certain extent) by violence or the threat of violence.'
However, I'm not sure of the point you are making. If it is that the power of despots comes from people I sort of agree - although I think it is rare that it comes freely, without some pressure or coercion, and that they are usually acting under some threat - in ancient times that may be from the person they follow and their soldiers, or from the priests that say some god will send them to hell for not doing it. In more modern times it's more subtle but just as potentially dangerous. But either way if 90 out of 100 people choose a ruler it doesn’t make them a legitimate ruler for the other 10 who didn’t choose them - they didn't consent to that person ruling.
The fact that strongmen need to manipulate people to maintain power shows how artificial and unnecessary these power structures are. If all power truly derives from people, then we should eliminate the hierarchical structures that allow it to be concentrated and weaponised against the masses, and create horizontal, democratic structures that prevent power from being accumulated and concentrated in the first place. Power flows from people and I believe should be kept with the people it flows from, without them giving it up and handing it over to someone else.
As for using the term, 'Evil', it certainly is a harsh term, but I'm just quoting the Calvinist view that we are literally born evil in the eyes of God, and referring to the influence of this doctrine upon even some secular philosophies and even Capitalist economists.